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What do you think is the reason why some headmates may exhibit symptoms of a mental illness much more strongly than the other people in a system?

Embracing it (/being immersed in it) rather than resisting it (/believing it shouldn't affect them)

Hmm, interesting. I should try that.

9:17 AM

Every time I try and get back on track, I inevitably fail. I'm the only one whose like this

What do you think is the reason why some headmates may exhibit symptoms of a mental illness much more strongly than the other people in a system?

@Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ - jump well in my case mental health symptoms have always differed drastically due to dissociation, but dissociation is not the only reason for something like that and there are at least a few more potential explanations for this first is what lumi said, but that could go under a bigger case of different headmates having different personalities that make them be affected by the symptoms differently. your headmate might be embracing, they might be less concerned, feel it doesn’t affect them, more calm, being more prone to escapism, or anything else second is that the correlation might be the opposite - not that your headmate doesn’t exhibit the symptoms, but that they are more likely to front when the symptoms of the mental illness are not present third and which I think might be the most relevant is that it doesn’t need to be looked through the lens of plurality. singlets are capable of hiding the symptoms of even severe mental illness for years. They build a “mask” that they wear. I’m sure you can think of actors who have been considered happy by everyone, but who struggled with depression for their whole life. you might made and named the “mask” and it became a separate headmate the good news is that no matter the reason, you all are capable of experiencing lower symptoms of the mental illness, since one of your headmates is. your headmate could have developed coping skills that you think are exclusive for them - but they are not, you can access them too

not that your headmate doesn’t exhibit the symptoms, but that they are more likely to front when the symptoms of the mental illness are not present

Oo, that's a tricky one

10:31 AM

Pretend I also wrote that in my original answer :P (edited)

We have definitely taken a step back given mental health stuff going on. Right now, it's a big ask to just vibe in wonderland because it will give a host a headache. We definitely have more breathing room than we did before, but still

12:18 PM

Do I have mental health issues? Probably, but I'm not around enough and I don't switch to know. Also what is shown in wonderland may be different than in physical space. Diagnoses are based on switched-in fronter behavior, not what a tulpa is doing in wonderland (edited)

Yeah, my symptoms effect me in and out of wonderland

7:16 PM

Generally even while fronting and doing absolutely nothing

Our symptoms affect all of us pretty much the same but some things are to varying degrees For example momo has less anxiety, and i pick my fingers more, and eishi has more adhd-like tendencies

7:19 PM

It does seem to be an effect of how we react to the symptoms Like We all have the symptoms but we all react to them and display them differently

Yeah. For some reason, I feel extremely depressed generally. I don't know if we have depression, but I'm definitely most prone to being distressed when fronting

Hmm i really don't know much about treating depression when only one headmate has it but if it's just you i would think therapy would be better than meds

That's fair.

7:55 PM

Me experiencing what I experience isn't limited to just me, it just seems like everyone else copes with it so much better

7:55 PM

And they tend to experience it much less on average.

idk if this is disrespectuful but ill ask it

12:25 AM

to tulpas

12:25 AM

when you were born how did it feel if you remember anything

12:26 AM

or are you guys like us and just become conscious at a given time

we recall the first days of each of my headmates

Some of us have memories of events and things leading up to our formation, but it's definitely less psychological and more metaphysical in some aspects.

old me didn’t have much thought.

Some of our introjects remember entire lives that they themselves like to consider "real", at least in the sense that it directly impacts their current worldview. Others here just popped into being instantly, with no memories or previous experiences to show.

I wasn’t supposed to. But it happened

T ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

Some of our introjects remember entire lives that they themselves like to consider "real", at least in the sense that it directly impacts their current worldview. Others here just popped into being instantly, with no memories or previous experiences to show.

Eishi associated some exomemories from his source with his own identity before but now he's pretty disconnected from them

ok

Lun’s first moments were in effort to get me to calm down and take a break from a homework assignment

May has a few particularly nostalgic memories from when she was first created, I can get them by accessing the body’s memory but I don’t feel what she feels when she remembers those moments

Hell, even I have some memories from my cringe genshin life. I don't care about them as much as some of the other people in this head do.

Kira has a whole little time she likes to consider her childhood

Skyler 🐉

Lun’s first moments were in effort to get me to calm down and take a break from a homework assignment

cuteee

I don’t have my own memories. But I recall a lot about the state of the body when I came about.

12:35 AM

I have no idea if that counts

how do you guys allow tulpas to front/possess the body?

Basically just let them take control Imagine them taking control and switching places with them

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do i imagine the feeling or visualize it?

you should try both to see what works best for how your brain processes

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do i imagine the feeling or visualize it?

Either Both Doesn't matter Figure out a way that works for you

proxying for your tulpa is helpful in the meantime. It helped us get more of an understanding for how each of our thought processes “feel”

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Kitteridge | 𝐌𝐢𝐥𝐤 & 𝐂𝐨 ✧´ˎ˗

proxying for your tulpa is helpful in the meantime. It helped us get more of an understanding for how each of our thought processes “feel”

Can you elaborate a tad?

of course! On which part? Proxying or the feeling of each others thoughts?

cuddlycarcinogen ↩️

Reply to: Can you elaborate a tad?

First part

more experienced people can correct me if I’m wrong, but for us, proxying is the act of the host (milk) speaking “for” me (tulpa) without switching or possession. I just say what I would like to say and Milk types it out

Yeah

1:04 AM

That sounds pretty correct

Thabk u!

of course!! Happy to help

how can i get used to visualizing my tulpa? thonk

a simple process I do is 1. imagine tulpa at any level of detail; just a fuzzy idea is fine 2. "zoom in" on any parts that are fuzzy, starting with something easy 3. "zooming in" means making that fuzzy part more clear. ask questions like "what color are their eyes?" "how does this part of their body rest?" "how do their claws work?"; focus on it until you can clearly picture it, even if only from one angle 4. work your way up to more complexity; so, you get their face right, zoom back out and see if there's another part you can clarify, rotate them in your head, have them pose differently 5. rinse/repeat--it's normal if parts get fuzzy after you zoom out and clear up a different spot. just keep playing whack-a-mole for a little while (I like to go between 15-60 minutes of it), and then move on to something else. practice on a daily basis is more important than marathon visualization sessions--this goes for every part of tulpamancy imo, consistency > intensity (edited)

1:35 AM

if that's unclear I have other methods--depends on how you like to visualize. My partner is aphantasic, so their method of "visualization" means just breaking down what descriptors are important. "They have white fur," "they're soft," "they have kind eyes that crinkle when they smile," that kind of stuff. They can associate those descriptors together, but they don't get a "movie in their head" when reading books or anything

blanka

a simple process I do is 1. imagine tulpa at any level of detail; just a fuzzy idea is fine 2. "zoom in" on any parts that are fuzzy, starting with something easy 3. "zooming in" means making that fuzzy part more clear. ask questions like "what color are their eyes?" "how does this part of their body rest?" "how do their claws work?"; focus on it until you can clearly picture it, even if only from one angle 4. work your way up to more complexity; so, you get their face right, zoom back out and see if there's another part you can clarify, rotate them in your head, have them pose differently 5. rinse/repeat--it's normal if parts get fuzzy after you zoom out and clear up a different spot. just keep playing whack-a-mole for a little while (I like to go between 15-60 minutes of it), and then move on to something else. practice on a daily basis is more important than marathon visualization sessions--this goes for every part of tulpamancy imo, consistency > intensity (edited)

this is so helpful!! thank you happytears

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this is so helpful!! thank you happytears

of course! Hope it helps

What do you do as a headmate if you just feel fed up with existing? I get that this is an existential question, but I don't think I've ever heard the tulpamancer side of this question

That’s a very complex question and one that no one here can advice you for. I believe you should try to face the issue and revolve it but if that’s not helping you can try integration or dissipating. Those are more extreme responses

I understand. I've been trying to work out the issues I have, so maybe I should keep at it.

4:54 AM

I just don't want my constant negativity to get in my systems way

Hi, which guide should i take if i`m newbee ?

Might not even need a whole guide, the basic process of "Talk to your tulpa, believing they're there and wanting to respond, until they are & can" can work just fine on its own

5:51 AM

More or less covered that in a recent forum post: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/19744-unsure-what-active-forcing-entails/#comment-398845

5:52 AM

I don't like guides, so if you still want one after #what-is-a-tulpa then someone else can recommend one

thank you

blanka

a simple process I do is 1. imagine tulpa at any level of detail; just a fuzzy idea is fine 2. "zoom in" on any parts that are fuzzy, starting with something easy 3. "zooming in" means making that fuzzy part more clear. ask questions like "what color are their eyes?" "how does this part of their body rest?" "how do their claws work?"; focus on it until you can clearly picture it, even if only from one angle 4. work your way up to more complexity; so, you get their face right, zoom back out and see if there's another part you can clarify, rotate them in your head, have them pose differently 5. rinse/repeat--it's normal if parts get fuzzy after you zoom out and clear up a different spot. just keep playing whack-a-mole for a little while (I like to go between 15-60 minutes of it), and then move on to something else. practice on a daily basis is more important than marathon visualization sessions--this goes for every part of tulpamancy imo, consistency > intensity (edited)

You should post that in Tips & Tricks on the forums

Blurry/Anon - ❔- [They/Them] ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

What do you do as a headmate if you just feel fed up with existing? I get that this is an existential question, but I don't think I've ever heard the tulpamancer side of this question

Like Rusty said, your approach should be personalized to fit your system's needs. We have a policy where anyone (not including Gray given his vow not to die) can choose to dissipate if they want to. We had two dissipations in our system. We tried strategies to help develop their sense of self to make it stronger, but it was ineffective. Both of them had a weak sense of self for a long period of time and were done.

A long kiss goodnight

You should post that in Tips & Tricks on the forums

Agreed

A long kiss goodnight

You should post that in Tips & Tricks on the forums

I guess I need to make an account, then

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how long do you guys usually active force for?

Probably for about an hour/45 mins a day before falling asleep. We’ve put way more emphasis on passive forcing

Milk

Probably for about an hour/45 mins a day before falling asleep. We’ve put way more emphasis on passive forcing

what does passive forcing usually consist of?

doing whatever you're doing but talking to your tulpa

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what does passive forcing usually consist of?

Pretty much was Blank said. I try and keep Kitt in my mind in the form of chatting to him and leaving space in my thoughts for him to respond.

5:20 PM

Sort of like a constant dialogue between the two of us. But I’m not good at remembering to do it all the time

i feel like i’m asking too many questions but!!! does anyone have a specific way of proxying? i wanna practice it so my tulpa can get used to speaking and voicing his thoughts without simple one-word answers DGcatBleh

This is helpful https://community.tulpa.info/topic/14746-tulpa-vocalization-practice/

Tulpa Vocalization Practice

This is a digital worksheet that I made with the intent of helping tulpas learn how to speak through practice. Feel free to use whichever parts of the worksheet will be useful to you, and share the results if you like. You can either make a copy of the document to record your tulpa's responses th...

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6:13 PM

You can type out their replies

its alright to ask a ton of questions, i think the easiest is to set up one of the few discord proxy bots, and just type out their responses. either in a private server or here if they feel like talking publicly

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i feel like i’m asking too many questions but!!! does anyone have a specific way of proxying? i wanna practice it so my tulpa can get used to speaking and voicing his thoughts without simple one-word answers DGcatBleh

I set up a PK for Kitt and let him use it for proxying.

plain ol' notepad works too if you dont want to hassle too much

It’s fun to talk to other people though (at least Kitt thinks so) and if forces him to develop answers to the occasional question

thank you guys for your answers!! thonk

time to look at like 50 yt tuts on how to use pluralkit

tupperbox is easier imo

[insert advertisement for my bot here because its easier to use slash commands] (edited)

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

tupperbox is easier imo

are there any differences between the two?

Drake (DustyAngel47)

[insert advertisement for my bot here because its easier to use slash commands] (edited)

OH HO HOO? Kanna_rawr

pluralkit has more options i think, tupper is much more simple but its not used in as many servers

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thank you guys for your answers!! thonk

time to look at like 50 yt tuts on how to use pluralkit

if it's overwhelming just open a text doc and type it in there

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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

pluralkit has more options i think, tupper is much more simple but its not used in as many servers

technically tupper is used in more servers

tupperbox offers less advanced system logging features, but just for talking and keep ing track of things tupperbox is really simple to set up

1 million vs ~600k for pk

oh

according to their respective stats commands

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OH HO HOO? Kanna_rawr

:3

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6:18 PM

(offtopic for this channel though) (edited)

It’s pretty easy to do the base set up of a new member, name, avatar etc on PK. I think it gets more complicated if you want to do more advanced things (ime)

probably because roleplay is an adverted feature of tupperbox along with proxying for systems

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thank you guys for your answers!! thonk

time to look at like 50 yt tuts on how to use pluralkit

if you want help with any of the bots theres #tupperbox-pluralkit , but dont feel pressured if yall arent ready to deal with that

Taygete

probably because roleplay is an adverted feature of tupperbox along with proxying for systems

yeah for sure